So the libs are going to blow up the car industry in the coming years, do another bailout, and make certain the well to do get the advantage of inflation on the poor and government subsidies, a rebate on their taxes, not called a rebate, then celebrate their victory as they accuse some CEO with a 100 million dollar golden parachute. I would be drinking riding horses enjoying my paramour and laughing with the CEO at the country club too.
If one looks at e-aviation, the aircrafts are often very different morphology from a conventional airplane or helicopter. Likewise e-cars designed with electric propulsion in mind would evolve to forms much better suited to the tech I suspect, and be very different as a result, if the freedom to do so existed. Instead, we have electric vehicles that go to very redundant lengths to imitate a gasoline car in form, because US DOT regulations essentially define what a car is at this point. An ongoing opportunity cost there.
Private electric mobility sucks for many reasons. One of the most important is that the service time is less than 1, i.e. it takes longer to recharge the tank (the batteries) than it takes to empty it, and while recharging, the car is unusable.
I'm sympathetic to the argument but note that Amazon racked up losses for something like 10 years before turning the corner (or "getting over the peak", "emerging from the trough" or your own simile of choice).
Questions would be how big is the Ford finished EV inventory?
How much of their overheads are independent of vehicle production volumes?
Jaw-dropping evidence of the corporative willingness to comply with these top-down directives, even when it is obviously a money losing proposition.
My opinion is that our plutocrat overbosses believe that no cost is to high to force through their agenda , and that they will be more than amply compensated later when the coup/takeover is complete.
I don't know Robert, if I do a quick search on other common car companies here - Kia, Hyundai, VW - they have all recently posted big profits and alongside this it seems there are profits on their EVs, and all state their intention to go even harder on EVs. I
When Volkswagen bought Bugatti, it promised to build the most exotic supercar in the world and did so. In the process of selling that $1M guilded motorized cage, VW lost several hundred thousand dollars per unit sold...but it was building arguably the fastest, most ridiculous, powerful, luxurious, and rare automobile in the world in the Veyron. It served the purpose of delivering the message to consumers worldwide that VW, owner of brands like Bentley, Audi and Lamborghini, was a premium brand and that it was willing to do whatever it takes to create a great car.
Ford cannot make the claims that VW did; their pedigree no longer includes the likes of Volvo, Range Rover and Jag. Nor can Ford lose spectacular amounts of cash indefinitely. Even though the loss per EV sold lessens as each new car represents a diminishing downside to the battery production development, they will sell ever more cars at no profit or a loss for the forseeable future. Mark Kelly isn't an idiot, though he has been forced to act like one towards America's stupid power brokers in the institutional investment and federal government structures. He and every other auto brand chief (except maybe for Mary Barra who seems totally capable of being dumb in the face of any decision) know that the only way out of the morass is to soak the taxpayer for all we're worth in the form of Orwellian EV subsidies or they will cease to operate. But what can they do...Joe Biden and his band of mental defectives have spoken. EV's or bust, am I right?
Throughout all of this nonsense the oldest adage in marketing has reared its head. Don't build what YOU want them to buy, build what THEY want to buy. And build what your market can afford. Joe Biden is of course a drooling vegetable so he doesn't count. But his cabinet and department heads don't care what it costs to build out their utopian vision of an electric future. They don't care what emissions look like from battery plants or what mine tailing ponds mean to the environment or how much diesel it takes to extract the necessary minerals to make 100,000 Lithium Ion batteries. They're idiots and captive ones at that. But when Ford, GM and the rest stumble towards irrelevance as the Koreans and Chinese take over car sales, I bet the feds will dance to a different tune. They might hate rural Americans with the passion of a thousand Brooklyn Gen Zers who've had their artisanal, vegan cheese stolen by a white, unbearded CIS male, but they want their votes.
"The Washington Post writes in 1915..." It is interesting to note that over that same decade, deaths from weather-related disasters have fallen an entire order of magnitude. And without the help of EVs, windmill, or solar farms.
Your Substack and podcast are the most informative on the madness of the proposed climate solutions. I have learned a lot and have recommended it to many.
I'm one of those people who wouldn't consider an EV. First of all I'm looking for a small truck, and the F150 class vehicle is larger than I want. Secondly, I live 18 miles from work and go by one gas station/charging facility on my way there, and I really have no desire to pay someone a couple grand to upgrade my electric to accommodate a home charger.
Yet my home state of Delaware is hellbent on eliminating new ICE sales by 2035, despite the fact that over 70% of those polled say no.
This truck may be the last new vehicle I buy. I can see a scenario in a decade where our roads look like a modern-day Cuba as people hang on to their 2000-2020 model ICE cars and don't buy new ones - or go to states which don't follow this foolish law and tag 'em there.
I've been a Ford gal from WAY back. Even now I have an 85 Bronco2, a 93 F150, a 95 Bronco and my husband has a 2006 f350 and we recently got a 2023 f450 to pull a 5rh wheel. I've had various other Fords over the years.
I have a brilliant idea...build another hybrid and one model ev and shitcan the rest. THEN build LOTS of Broncos. They are in demand. Resellers of brand new ones are getting $10-25k OVER MSRP! Even the Bronco Sport is selling. I would buy a new Bronco in a MINUTE but I'm not paying the extra. If I order it could be a year.
When are the stockholder going to begin to revolt? If I owned stock in Ford I'd be furious.
I just purchased a personal vehicle and after looking at an EV (which I could afford & that intrigued me because of the wicked quick acceleration), but I quickly elsewhere because of the “range anxiety,” “charging time,” and other serious logistical issues that made the steeper price unworthy of the sacrifices.
I want at least one car that will take me cross country with minimal warning, hassle, and fueling time. So long as I have one nice vehicle, an EV won’t be it.
It will make a fun second vehicle toy ... someday.
These should be honestly marketed as Ferrari performance for a price attainable by a dual income, solidly upper middle income couple with no kids at home.
That’s clearly not a dream the Department of Energy should be subsidizing on the backs of lower middle income young parents, but that’s what has occurred.
So the libs are going to blow up the car industry in the coming years, do another bailout, and make certain the well to do get the advantage of inflation on the poor and government subsidies, a rebate on their taxes, not called a rebate, then celebrate their victory as they accuse some CEO with a 100 million dollar golden parachute. I would be drinking riding horses enjoying my paramour and laughing with the CEO at the country club too.
Absurdity ala Blackmon:
Hauling Decreases Ford F-150 EV Pick-up Range By 25 %
AAA Automotive Engineers Find Best Use is Hauling Leaves and Styrofoam
https://tucoschild.substack.com/p/hauling-decreases-ford-f-150-ev-pick
Fiat CEO on 500e: "I Hope You Don't Buy It" - We Lose 14k A Sale
https://insideevs.com/news/321794/fiat-ceo-on-500e-i-hope-you-dont-buy-it-we-lose-14k-a-sale/
So why are they selling EVs at all ... hmmmm....
And what is causing this attempt to migrate to evs?
If one looks at e-aviation, the aircrafts are often very different morphology from a conventional airplane or helicopter. Likewise e-cars designed with electric propulsion in mind would evolve to forms much better suited to the tech I suspect, and be very different as a result, if the freedom to do so existed. Instead, we have electric vehicles that go to very redundant lengths to imitate a gasoline car in form, because US DOT regulations essentially define what a car is at this point. An ongoing opportunity cost there.
Private electric mobility sucks for many reasons. One of the most important is that the service time is less than 1, i.e. it takes longer to recharge the tank (the batteries) than it takes to empty it, and while recharging, the car is unusable.
I'm sympathetic to the argument but note that Amazon racked up losses for something like 10 years before turning the corner (or "getting over the peak", "emerging from the trough" or your own simile of choice).
Questions would be how big is the Ford finished EV inventory?
How much of their overheads are independent of vehicle production volumes?
Jaw-dropping evidence of the corporative willingness to comply with these top-down directives, even when it is obviously a money losing proposition.
My opinion is that our plutocrat overbosses believe that no cost is to high to force through their agenda , and that they will be more than amply compensated later when the coup/takeover is complete.
I don't know Robert, if I do a quick search on other common car companies here - Kia, Hyundai, VW - they have all recently posted big profits and alongside this it seems there are profits on their EVs, and all state their intention to go even harder on EVs. I
But it's saving us from death by carbon. So...
When Volkswagen bought Bugatti, it promised to build the most exotic supercar in the world and did so. In the process of selling that $1M guilded motorized cage, VW lost several hundred thousand dollars per unit sold...but it was building arguably the fastest, most ridiculous, powerful, luxurious, and rare automobile in the world in the Veyron. It served the purpose of delivering the message to consumers worldwide that VW, owner of brands like Bentley, Audi and Lamborghini, was a premium brand and that it was willing to do whatever it takes to create a great car.
Ford cannot make the claims that VW did; their pedigree no longer includes the likes of Volvo, Range Rover and Jag. Nor can Ford lose spectacular amounts of cash indefinitely. Even though the loss per EV sold lessens as each new car represents a diminishing downside to the battery production development, they will sell ever more cars at no profit or a loss for the forseeable future. Mark Kelly isn't an idiot, though he has been forced to act like one towards America's stupid power brokers in the institutional investment and federal government structures. He and every other auto brand chief (except maybe for Mary Barra who seems totally capable of being dumb in the face of any decision) know that the only way out of the morass is to soak the taxpayer for all we're worth in the form of Orwellian EV subsidies or they will cease to operate. But what can they do...Joe Biden and his band of mental defectives have spoken. EV's or bust, am I right?
Throughout all of this nonsense the oldest adage in marketing has reared its head. Don't build what YOU want them to buy, build what THEY want to buy. And build what your market can afford. Joe Biden is of course a drooling vegetable so he doesn't count. But his cabinet and department heads don't care what it costs to build out their utopian vision of an electric future. They don't care what emissions look like from battery plants or what mine tailing ponds mean to the environment or how much diesel it takes to extract the necessary minerals to make 100,000 Lithium Ion batteries. They're idiots and captive ones at that. But when Ford, GM and the rest stumble towards irrelevance as the Koreans and Chinese take over car sales, I bet the feds will dance to a different tune. They might hate rural Americans with the passion of a thousand Brooklyn Gen Zers who've had their artisanal, vegan cheese stolen by a white, unbearded CIS male, but they want their votes.
"The Washington Post writes in 1915..." It is interesting to note that over that same decade, deaths from weather-related disasters have fallen an entire order of magnitude. And without the help of EVs, windmill, or solar farms.
Your Substack and podcast are the most informative on the madness of the proposed climate solutions. I have learned a lot and have recommended it to many.
I'm one of those people who wouldn't consider an EV. First of all I'm looking for a small truck, and the F150 class vehicle is larger than I want. Secondly, I live 18 miles from work and go by one gas station/charging facility on my way there, and I really have no desire to pay someone a couple grand to upgrade my electric to accommodate a home charger.
Yet my home state of Delaware is hellbent on eliminating new ICE sales by 2035, despite the fact that over 70% of those polled say no.
This truck may be the last new vehicle I buy. I can see a scenario in a decade where our roads look like a modern-day Cuba as people hang on to their 2000-2020 model ICE cars and don't buy new ones - or go to states which don't follow this foolish law and tag 'em there.
I've been a Ford gal from WAY back. Even now I have an 85 Bronco2, a 93 F150, a 95 Bronco and my husband has a 2006 f350 and we recently got a 2023 f450 to pull a 5rh wheel. I've had various other Fords over the years.
I have a brilliant idea...build another hybrid and one model ev and shitcan the rest. THEN build LOTS of Broncos. They are in demand. Resellers of brand new ones are getting $10-25k OVER MSRP! Even the Bronco Sport is selling. I would buy a new Bronco in a MINUTE but I'm not paying the extra. If I order it could be a year.
When are the stockholder going to begin to revolt? If I owned stock in Ford I'd be furious.
I just purchased a personal vehicle and after looking at an EV (which I could afford & that intrigued me because of the wicked quick acceleration), but I quickly elsewhere because of the “range anxiety,” “charging time,” and other serious logistical issues that made the steeper price unworthy of the sacrifices.
I want at least one car that will take me cross country with minimal warning, hassle, and fueling time. So long as I have one nice vehicle, an EV won’t be it.
It will make a fun second vehicle toy ... someday.
These should be honestly marketed as Ferrari performance for a price attainable by a dual income, solidly upper middle income couple with no kids at home.
That’s clearly not a dream the Department of Energy should be subsidizing on the backs of lower middle income young parents, but that’s what has occurred.